SABG Alt-Farming Issues
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- Team-tropican
- Acolyte
Addendum:
Here are the three mages. All of them have been around for 10 campaigns or more, long before the current battle groups. This is not a "frame up" job.
Here are the three mages. All of them have been around for 10 campaigns or more, long before the current battle groups. This is not a "frame up" job.
Edited by Team-tropican (Jan. 25, 2012 15:04:08)
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- Depth
- Scholar
To make the last Screenshot more reliable click the mute button so it pops up with the name, which would prove it belongs to them.
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- Caenarys
- Archmage
I would hope they could have a chance to prove they aren't doing this.
An easy solution, might be, for example, for them to leave a base beacon up,
for any friend to drop in at any time.
I know I've been to their base several times, and have never seen this activity.
I would also be suspicious if I saw something like this in cloudview.
Suspicious activity should have a chance to be explained, however.
I know how active they are, and have never wondered how they achieve such
high scores.
I do hope that they will be given a fair chance to disprove these accusations.
An easy solution, might be, for example, for them to leave a base beacon up,
for any friend to drop in at any time.
I know I've been to their base several times, and have never seen this activity.
I would also be suspicious if I saw something like this in cloudview.
Suspicious activity should have a chance to be explained, however.
I know how active they are, and have never wondered how they achieve such
high scores.
I do hope that they will be given a fair chance to disprove these accusations.
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- Caenarys
- Archmage
I also understand not wanting to keep a bc up at your home base.
There is a major flaw, allowing anyone from your bg, on your team, to have access to your beacons.
There is a major flaw, allowing anyone from your bg, on your team, to have access to your beacons.
Edited by Caenarys (Jan. 25, 2012 08:22:28)
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- Caenarys
- Archmage
As Spedsir mentioned, if GA would provide a list of all accounts used on the same device, that might clear things up as well.
Players could provide permission for this disclosure.
(Obviously, a person can have more than one device, but if was altfarming, would probably get lazy at some point.)
Players could provide permission for this disclosure.
(Obviously, a person can have more than one device, but if was altfarming, would probably get lazy at some point.)
Edited by Caenarys (Jan. 25, 2012 11:08:50)
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- Angelshark
- Enlightened
I know that these two greens raid a lot and I can not understand why anyone that has that much access to oj structures would alt farm.
That would be very very sad.
That being said I'm not sure what to say.
That would be very very sad.
That being said I'm not sure what to say.
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- FeRaLcHiLdE
- Magister
I have found some things out about players in this game by being an active part of the community as well as running a few psychological exercises on said community. From these experiences I have come to conclusions about the nature of players here, generalised as they may be. These conclusions were based on my best scientific method. Here are my results in a nutshell:
1. Players are generally self centered, as is normal human behavior, especially among younger, less mature people. This means they think of their own desires above their community in most cases.
2. Those players that participate in behavior called cheating fall into two catagories:
A. People willing to violate legal terms of service during play.
B. people willing to stretch the boundries of play withon legal terms of service.
3. Said cheaters will continue such behavior as long as they can get away with it, regardless of what their ccommunity says or does.
4. Many players take it upon themselves to police other players. These people do not seem to care whether cheating falls into catagory A or B (above). What is important is that the policeman get attention accusing and persecuting the cheaters. They tend to jump on any opportunity to instigate a drama about this.
5. Whether or not there is real evidence or perceived, the policemen tend to instigate these dramas by Spreading rumor among their community. Once these rumors take hold, a community witch hunt begins where the rumor spreads and grows in proportion. In a short time a community will be pointing fingers, slandering and calling the target player out publically with threats or acts of persecution. Often a targeted player who has not cheated will become the victem of people with an axe to grind regardless of evidence or lack thereof.
6. Practically, These police acts and witch hunts do not change anything for the better voncerning the community or targeted player. . Those who do cheat do not stop. Those who never did are discredited. In each case, unecessary drama causes stress in the community which breaks down entertainment, goodwill and trust.
7. Ethically, these police acts and witch hunts tend to achieve results contrary to those intended. While they may begin as an attempt to put one player in check for the community's benefit, they actually cause negative feelings throughout the community . Where one player was meant to be affected, many are. This results in a paranoid mindset that brews more accusations and arguments than it solves. By one person accusing one other, many are brought down; making these acts unethical by result.
8. In most cases, the players persecuting express anger to a degree that displays emotional disfunction. This indicates that they are serving their own motivations under the guise of communal concern. Often, accusations of cheating are a convenient outlet for feelings of rage or frustration rather than actual community policing This is, in my opinion, as deceitful as behavior from a player who cheats.
9. Having reviewed terms of service from both Apple and Gray Area, I can say that behavior such as 'alt farming', 'alt abuse' and multiple accounts IS ENTIRELY LEGAL AND WITHIN THE RULES OF THE GAME. That some players have decided these practices are unethical displays two things:
A. They are oversensitive and prone to instigate conflict.
B. They have an arrogance in believing their preferences are the Right way to behave.
10. Despite many versions of so called ethical codes of behavior, Gray Area is both creator and owner of Shadow Cities. This company alone has the right to determine rules of gameplay, terms of service, and nature of in-game abuses (within legal licensing boundries). NO PLAYER HAS THE RIGHT TO IMPOSE THEIR RULES ON THIS COMPANY NOR OTHER PLAYERS LEGALLY.
So, next time one of you points a finger, uses slanderous language, attempts to bully another player or GA, please take a look at yourself and your own morivations first before acting.
1. Players are generally self centered, as is normal human behavior, especially among younger, less mature people. This means they think of their own desires above their community in most cases.
2. Those players that participate in behavior called cheating fall into two catagories:
A. People willing to violate legal terms of service during play.
B. people willing to stretch the boundries of play withon legal terms of service.
3. Said cheaters will continue such behavior as long as they can get away with it, regardless of what their ccommunity says or does.
4. Many players take it upon themselves to police other players. These people do not seem to care whether cheating falls into catagory A or B (above). What is important is that the policeman get attention accusing and persecuting the cheaters. They tend to jump on any opportunity to instigate a drama about this.
5. Whether or not there is real evidence or perceived, the policemen tend to instigate these dramas by Spreading rumor among their community. Once these rumors take hold, a community witch hunt begins where the rumor spreads and grows in proportion. In a short time a community will be pointing fingers, slandering and calling the target player out publically with threats or acts of persecution. Often a targeted player who has not cheated will become the victem of people with an axe to grind regardless of evidence or lack thereof.
6. Practically, These police acts and witch hunts do not change anything for the better voncerning the community or targeted player. . Those who do cheat do not stop. Those who never did are discredited. In each case, unecessary drama causes stress in the community which breaks down entertainment, goodwill and trust.
7. Ethically, these police acts and witch hunts tend to achieve results contrary to those intended. While they may begin as an attempt to put one player in check for the community's benefit, they actually cause negative feelings throughout the community . Where one player was meant to be affected, many are. This results in a paranoid mindset that brews more accusations and arguments than it solves. By one person accusing one other, many are brought down; making these acts unethical by result.
8. In most cases, the players persecuting express anger to a degree that displays emotional disfunction. This indicates that they are serving their own motivations under the guise of communal concern. Often, accusations of cheating are a convenient outlet for feelings of rage or frustration rather than actual community policing This is, in my opinion, as deceitful as behavior from a player who cheats.
9. Having reviewed terms of service from both Apple and Gray Area, I can say that behavior such as 'alt farming', 'alt abuse' and multiple accounts IS ENTIRELY LEGAL AND WITHIN THE RULES OF THE GAME. That some players have decided these practices are unethical displays two things:
A. They are oversensitive and prone to instigate conflict.
B. They have an arrogance in believing their preferences are the Right way to behave.
10. Despite many versions of so called ethical codes of behavior, Gray Area is both creator and owner of Shadow Cities. This company alone has the right to determine rules of gameplay, terms of service, and nature of in-game abuses (within legal licensing boundries). NO PLAYER HAS THE RIGHT TO IMPOSE THEIR RULES ON THIS COMPANY NOR OTHER PLAYERS LEGALLY.
So, next time one of you points a finger, uses slanderous language, attempts to bully another player or GA, please take a look at yourself and your own morivations first before acting.
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- FeRaLcHiLdE
- Magister
Of course, I expect at least one of you will disagree with my words here and wish to attack them. I welcome your reasonable responses. While debate is a great way to sort things out, please be careful. I have already taken legal measures against players who have slandered or harassed me. I deserve to not be attacked, as do we all.
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- Caenarys
- Archmage
It was once legal to own a human being.
While I don't disagree with points made about pointing fingers,
this community exists because of its players.
What's the problem with the Shadow Cities community deciding that GA's TOS aren't
as thorough or explicit as they should be?
Can one even have slanderous language in this environment?
I mean, is it legally possible?
And, if a player isn't having fun, then they should probably consider discontinuing his/her involvement in the game.
While I don't disagree with points made about pointing fingers,
this community exists because of its players.
What's the problem with the Shadow Cities community deciding that GA's TOS aren't
as thorough or explicit as they should be?
Can one even have slanderous language in this environment?
I mean, is it legally possible?
And, if a player isn't having fun, then they should probably consider discontinuing his/her involvement in the game.
Edited by Caenarys (Jan. 25, 2012 11:47:40)
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- Caenarys
- Archmage
Feral, your position seems hypocritical.
I really don't understand what you're trying to say.
You're upset by people trying to regulate a game,
yet, you're pursuing legal action over words typed in a game?
I really don't understand what you're trying to say.
You're upset by people trying to regulate a game,
yet, you're pursuing legal action over words typed in a game?