List Banning Offences
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- Godu
- Archmage
GA: Please list, explicitly, what actions will lead to being banned. This would, I think, help clear up a lot of the confusion that we are all currently experiencing.
It would be nice if those who are banned are also given an explicit reason for their banning (i.e. related to the published banned action list...).
It would be nice to give mages a warning for a first offence as well. This would help both experienced and new mages learn the game and steer them toward these forums.
Thank you,
Godu
It would be nice if those who are banned are also given an explicit reason for their banning (i.e. related to the published banned action list...).
It would be nice to give mages a warning for a first offence as well. This would help both experienced and new mages learn the game and steer them toward these forums.
Thank you,
Godu
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- Shekkara
- Archmage
Chadj/GA has previously said, "Drawing attention to specific exploits, only brings more unnecessary attention to them, often even leading many who were previously unaware, to cheat."
That's a weak argument. If they list those reasonably well-known exploits they consider to be cheating, then honest players can cease doing anything they know is cheating and play more confidently. Players who did not previously know about the exploit and learn about it by reading a list of illegal exploits, then if they use the exploit they will deserve to get banned.
That's a weak argument. If they list those reasonably well-known exploits they consider to be cheating, then honest players can cease doing anything they know is cheating and play more confidently. Players who did not previously know about the exploit and learn about it by reading a list of illegal exploits, then if they use the exploit they will deserve to get banned.
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- Dichotomous1
- Grandmaster
This sure is some amateur-night B.S.
Get it together quick GA
Sincerely,
One who pays to play this game
Get it together quick GA
Sincerely,
One who pays to play this game
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- Lyricalus
- Archmage
Transparency is key to a highly successful organization. Except when the organization hides in the shadows and and controls it's minions through fear. I know organizations who use these tactics....
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- Matou
- Archmage
This latest batch of bans are 'location based' offences I believe which is similar if not exactly what the last batch was. I do not know all the details but judging by what I've seen we really need to think before we complain. Do we know for certain that any of those banned were in fact guiltless? and can we say for sure that we really don't know what is considered cheating or not?
I'm sorry but I think Chadj/GA is right. Why draw attention to something that should be obvious especially in the light of these and previous bans.
Let's use one example. In this game, GPS is used to determine among other things if you are physically located near your dominators in order that you may harvest from them. Ergo if you are farther away than the prescribed limit then you are not intended to have the ability to harvest from them. Period. Therefore if you find a way to circumvent this system, you are cheating, no bones about it. It should be obvious. Having the mindset that because one can make it happen, that the onus is then on the developers to list it as something that should be considered cheating is ridiculous, because why else then would they have a limit on a harvesting distance in the first place? C'mon.
Do we really need these things pointed out? Is common sense really so rare that it should now be considered a super power?
Shekkara
Chadj/GA has previously said, "Drawing attention to specific exploits, only brings more unnecessary attention to them, often even leading many who were previously unaware, to cheat."
That's a weak argument. If they list those reasonably well-known exploits they consider to be cheating, then honest players can cease doing anything they know is cheating and play more confidently. Players who did not previously know about the exploit and learn about it by reading a list of illegal exploits, then if they use the exploit they will deserve to get banned.
I'm sorry but I think Chadj/GA is right. Why draw attention to something that should be obvious especially in the light of these and previous bans.
Let's use one example. In this game, GPS is used to determine among other things if you are physically located near your dominators in order that you may harvest from them. Ergo if you are farther away than the prescribed limit then you are not intended to have the ability to harvest from them. Period. Therefore if you find a way to circumvent this system, you are cheating, no bones about it. It should be obvious. Having the mindset that because one can make it happen, that the onus is then on the developers to list it as something that should be considered cheating is ridiculous, because why else then would they have a limit on a harvesting distance in the first place? C'mon.
Do we really need these things pointed out? Is common sense really so rare that it should now be considered a super power?
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- Shekkara
- Archmage
I disagree. According to Anvar, when leap frogging was discovered, there was an uproar over whether or not it was legal. Does it seem obviously legal to you now? It wasn't then. Is blast warping illegal? How about crash warping?
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- Godu
- Archmage
The problem, as I see it, is that we have no way of knowing just exploits are ban worthy and which are not. And to a lesser extent the ability to dispute a GA ban...
I agree that I am not 100% positive of everyone's guilt or innocence but I also do not have any confidence in GA's criteria for banning. I am protesting more the lack of transparency and the secrecy in the bannings then I am the actual ban.
--Discussion below--
There have been a number of occasions when the GPS in my phone has placed me in a position other than my actual location; on at least two occasions this would have allowed me to harvest (once during a round break and once when I was deliberately not harvesting to save a mission...). One of my concerns is that whether players are being banned for GPS glitches or for actually doing something wrong (deliberately or by accident)?
I am a professor, I tell my students at the beginning of each semester exactly what activities will result in an automatic F or 0 for an assignment or the class. This sets a level playing field and leaves no guesswork for the students as to what is allowed and what is not. If a student violates one of these rules I then have no hesitation to censure them.
I may certainly disagree with GA on whether an action should be banned (blast warping) but I can then argue for its inclusion in the game on these boards and suchlike while at the same time not risking getting banned by doing it while it is proscribed.
I agree that I am not 100% positive of everyone's guilt or innocence but I also do not have any confidence in GA's criteria for banning. I am protesting more the lack of transparency and the secrecy in the bannings then I am the actual ban.
--Discussion below--
There have been a number of occasions when the GPS in my phone has placed me in a position other than my actual location; on at least two occasions this would have allowed me to harvest (once during a round break and once when I was deliberately not harvesting to save a mission...). One of my concerns is that whether players are being banned for GPS glitches or for actually doing something wrong (deliberately or by accident)?
I am a professor, I tell my students at the beginning of each semester exactly what activities will result in an automatic F or 0 for an assignment or the class. This sets a level playing field and leaves no guesswork for the students as to what is allowed and what is not. If a student violates one of these rules I then have no hesitation to censure them.
I may certainly disagree with GA on whether an action should be banned (blast warping) but I can then argue for its inclusion in the game on these boards and suchlike while at the same time not risking getting banned by doing it while it is proscribed.
Edited by Godu (May 24, 2012 23:25:16)
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- PleaseListen
- Acolyte
Matou, I understand your point of view but here's the thing. I (this is Limbus) got banned last night and I have no clue why. I didn't horse around with the GPS or any of that stuff. I have *no clue* why they banned me and they won't tell me. So the hundreds of hours of time I spent in this game accumulating over 5000 pots for my realms? All gone. Poof. It seems to me that when they use the most extreme form of punishment the game allows, banning, they owe the customer some kind of explanation. I'm hoping Chadj or someone will talk to me.